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Dinosaur Gas I like boobies!!! Age: 34 Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Member #: 2 Posts: 10640 Location: CT 2008 Honda Accord	Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: The truth about etana Posting this here, because the catacombs admins deleted it. Be warned, long read ahead... Since day 1, ETANA has been secretly logging information. It is actually a trojan, scanning client's computers, detecting cheats. The head admins of the 3 major leagues have been in on this, hiding this fact from the public. Vampire found out about it, but they threatened to ban him to keep him quiet. The reason why I am outing this is two-fold, (1) The game is dead. (2) The admins never used the information properly, imo. Too many cheaters got bye because the admins didn't want their "secret" discovered. They don't care about TFC anymore, so why hide this. They can't use the plugin with the Source games, so there is no valid reason to keep this information any more. Code: Session Start: Sun May 06 18:32:40 2007 Session Ident: bcr [18:32] Session Ident: bcr (~bcr@bcr.user.gamesurge) [18:32] <bcr> helping me [18:32] <bcr> im so overwhelemed [18:33] <bcr> double checking tracking stuff too [18:33] <bcr> like the shorty trace [18:33] <bcr> he is adament it isnt him [18:33] <bcr> so im running the trace again [18:33] <bcr> he made me doubt myself [18:33] <bcr> i dont have time for doubts [18:33] <bcr> and people tell me im too trusting [18:34] <bcr> im sure that has something to do with it [18:34] <bcr> so i need an assistant [18:34] <bcr> i'd like someone i can trust completely [18:34] <bcr> and tell things to that only i know [18:34] <bcr> and trust they will keep quiet [18:35] <bcr> so much gets put on my plate [18:35] <bcr> am i rambling? yes [18:35] <bcr> im sry [18:37] <bcr> there's other issues on my plate... things i cant go to the ac team with [18:37] <bcr> there's a leak and some things just cant be said [18:37] <bcr> for fear of it getting out [18:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> well, I'm not the leak [18:37] <bcr> a wise man once told me [18:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [18:37] <bcr> i know you are not [18:38] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> my guess would be vamp [18:38] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> just my opinion [18:38] <bcr> yes i know [18:39] <bcr> see i cant investigate without him finding out [18:39] <bcr> i need someone in our own department [18:39] <bcr> a bcr department [18:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> well, if I can help...sign me up [18:39] <bcr> me and one other person [18:39] <bcr> i'll take you. i dont know u well, but i feel good about you [18:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> if you're apprehensive, I understand [18:40] <bcr> im apprehensive about anyone. what i am about to tell u is sooo secret [18:40] <bcr> i need ur assurance [18:40] <bcr> no matter how u feel about it you wont tell [18:40] <bcr> no matter what [18:41] <bcr> vamp has made it known that he is a clan captain first and an admin 2nd [18:41] <bcr> i cant have that [18:41] <bcr> i need an admin 1st [18:42] <bcr> someone who can withold info from a clan, even theirs for the greater good [18:42] <bcr> can you do that? [18:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yes [18:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I withhold everything from my clan [18:42] <bcr> ok got some time? [18:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> looks like it [18:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> kids are occupied [18:42] <bcr> i have one hellava story to tell you [18:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> should I hit the bathroom first? [18:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [18:43] <bcr> yes [18:43] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> j/k [18:43] <bcr> ill start a few months back [18:43] <bcr> vamp was tipped [18:44] <bcr> there was something loggin/collecting info from clan servers [18:44] <bcr> he came to me [18:44] <bcr> we investigated [18:44] <bcr> i never knew it was going to be such a big thing [18:44] <bcr> during our investigation it became apparent that the info we were uncovering was damning [18:45] <bcr> damning to ugc and sta [18:45] <bcr> once i got that far [18:45] <bcr> i cut vamp out of the loop [18:45] <bcr> i told him to wait [18:45] <bcr> i didnt trust him with it, but i didnt tell him that [18:45] <bcr> he wanted to go public [18:45] <bcr> he wasnt thinking of the big picture [18:46] <bcr> only of the recognition he would get by uncovering it [18:46] <bcr> i howerever was thinking [18:46] <bcr> i wanted access to it [18:46] <bcr> it's an incredible tool [18:46] <bcr> i did some digging first [18:47] <bcr> approached people i thought would know about it [18:47] <bcr> no one did [18:47] <bcr> this was hidden tight [18:47] <bcr> i had no choice but to talk to sparkle [18:47] <bcr> i dont trust pad and avoid her directly if i can [18:48] <bcr> we had an issue with her and pplite from feb.. another story [18:48] <bcr> sparkle didnt give me any info [18:48] <bcr> only said he would have to ok it with pad [18:48] <bcr> before he could tell me anything [18:48] <bcr> i think he thought i didnt know and was fishing [18:49] <bcr> so i told him outright [18:49] <bcr> i knew etana was acting as a trogen and logging things into a large searchable database [18:49] <bcr> i knew they could scan a player for cheats [18:49] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wow [18:49] <bcr> he finally admitted [18:49] <bcr> and i have been granted access to the database [18:50] <bcr> vamp found out i had access [18:50] <bcr> vamp in turn attempted to blackmail me [18:50] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> not suprised [18:50] <bcr> said he wanted access or he was going to blow it wide open [18:51] <bcr> i had no choice but to go to pad with this [18:51] <bcr> we (all 3 leagues) aggreed on a blackmail of our own [18:51] <bcr> if vamp chose to tell [18:52] <bcr> he would be steam id banned from all three leagues, his ip would be banned from the forums, including the cats, and he would be g-lined from irc [18:52] <bcr> he didnt flinch [18:52] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> exactly what I would have done [18:52] <bcr> until i told him he would also be fired from tfl [18:52] <bcr> so [18:52] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> hmmn [18:52] <bcr> the agreement we (all 3) have come to [18:53] <bcr> is vamp remains on staff in tfl, but has no access to the etana database, and he has to keep his mouth shut [18:53] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> how did vamp find out you had access? [18:53] <bcr> he agreed [18:53] <bcr> well [18:53] <bcr> we were working together until i knew about the database [18:54] <bcr> he knew almost everything [18:54] <bcr> it didnt take much for him to figure it out [18:54] <bcr> so i told him not to go public because i was going to try and get access [18:54] <bcr> once i got access i ignored him [18:54] <bcr> he pushed it [18:54] <bcr> i had to admit i had it [18:54] <bcr> again he threatened [18:54] <bcr> so i admitted [18:55] <bcr> i thought it would be good enough [18:55] <bcr> "our" work got tfl access [18:55] <bcr> but no [18:55] <bcr> he wanted credit in the community [18:55] <bcr> so [18:55] <bcr> vamp remains on staff until he is shipped to iraq in july [18:55] <bcr> but i dont trust him at all [18:56] <bcr> he gets limited info from me [18:56] <bcr> and it's a shame i cant rely on my lead ac admin [18:56] <bcr> so i needed to find someone i can [18:56] <bcr> cause i need help [18:57] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [18:57] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> this database, how extensive is it? [18:57] <bcr> u see the importance of the secret? if hackers knew what we were scanning for then they could bypass it [18:57] <bcr> omg it's huge dg [18:58] <bcr> i can find, tracer offsets, _specials, pplite and catylyst hacks.. everything that would make a change to a players config code [18:58] <bcr> just by typing in an id [18:58] <bcr> and [18:58] <bcr> i get all servers, gathers, pubs and private [18:59] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> that run etana? [18:59] <bcr> the cats tracker relys on people submitting the logs [18:59] <bcr> yes [18:59] <bcr> etana auto sends [18:59] <bcr> and rf is configured to not ding the send [18:59] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the cats tracker is involved? [18:59] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and rf? [18:59] <bcr> to announce is what i mean [19:00] <bcr> yes [19:00] <bcr> all combined [19:00] <bcr> into one big database [19:00] <bcr> searchable by ip, id, name, server ip [19:00] <bcr> whatever [19:00] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> nice [19:00] <bcr> i can scan a server on match night while they are playing and know if anyone is cheating [19:00] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> does it catch everything? [19:00] <bcr> no [19:01] <bcr> theres a hack called DEWS [19:01] <bcr> we havent been able to find a code to trace [19:01] <bcr> we have tried to find something [19:01] <bcr> all hacks change something [19:01] <bcr> just havent figured out dews yet [19:02] <bcr> etana is updated when we add a new code to it [19:02] <bcr> so there are some out there cheating that we cant detect [19:02] <bcr> and when we ban [19:02] <bcr> we say esp or whatever [19:03] <bcr> we will not mention etana at all [19:03] <bcr> it's been logging since 6-06 [19:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> damn...lol [19:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> omg h4x! [19:03] <bcr> since the newest etana from sta/ugc [19:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i feel violated [19:03] <bcr> u and ur clan are clean [19:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i know [19:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [19:03] <bcr> funy thing is [19:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> rather I am confident I am [19:04] <bcr> the people i thought i would catch are clean [19:04] <bcr> tda [19:04] <bcr> pub 24/7 [19:04] <bcr> no hacks [19:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I would be suprised to find someone in tda [19:04] <bcr> they must pub 15 times a day [19:04] <bcr> wicked from yarr clean [19:04] <bcr> most of dex was clean [19:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> it only tracks pubs with etana? [19:04] <bcr> no [19:04] <bcr> everything [19:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> how? [19:05] <bcr> anything running etana [19:05] <bcr> you have to have it running [19:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> meaning a pub has to run etama [19:05] <bcr> my list of servers is 85 [19:05] <bcr> yes [19:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> what I was saying [19:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [19:05] <bcr> a pub has to run it [19:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> my pub doesn't run it [19:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> maybe I should start [19:05] <bcr> most pubs are clan servers just on pub cnfg [19:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I use Sparkies server-side [19:05] <bcr> u should run it [19:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> now I will add etana to it [19:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [19:06] <bcr> cool [19:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> my pub attracts alot of league players now [19:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no bots [19:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ftw [19:06] <bcr> would be nice to have on the search list [19:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I'll set it up tonight [19:06] <bcr> cool [19:07] <bcr> im going to make a forum for just you and i [19:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [19:07] <bcr> it's things i need input on, etc.. [19:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> gem can access it though? [19:07] <bcr> no one else will be able to see it [19:07] <bcr> yes, but he doesnt care about it [19:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [19:10] <bcr> also the shorty track i am finishing now [19:11] <bcr> and the ming track [19:11] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> we can post player tracks [19:11] <bcr> im 95% sure he is caution [19:11] <bcr> yes [19:11] <bcr> because it is u and i only [19:11] <bcr> another issue [19:11] <bcr> as u know md works ugc [19:11] <bcr> i trust md [19:11] <bcr> he would never leak [19:12] <bcr> he came to me yesterday [19:12] <bcr> and said there are posts in our forum that are almost verbatum to posts in the ugc private forums [19:12] <bcr> vamp-blackthought [19:12] <bcr> no other explaination [19:13] <bcr> so careful what you post [19:13] <bcr> ugc will not share info with tfl [19:13] <bcr> and in turn i will not share with them [19:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> screw them! [19:13] <bcr> they left us completely in the dark over pplite in feb [19:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> j/k [19:13] <bcr> and the etana [19:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> not very nice of them [19:13] <bcr> they only admitted once i confronted them [19:14] <bcr> and we were left to figure it out [19:14] <bcr> we were given a 3 day timeframe before they would post their list [19:14] <bcr> that would have ruined our chances of catching our tfl hackers [19:14] <bcr> with pplite [19:14] <bcr> but it worked out [19:15] <bcr> i didnt sleep for three days but i cracked the code [19:15] <bcr> and we pulled demos in time [19:15] <bcr> my point is [19:15] <bcr> they arent very nice to us [19:15] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I see [19:15] <bcr> so careful what you post... it may get back to them [19:15] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I won't post anything [19:15] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> don't worry [19:15] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> me and wf had a talk [19:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> everything is cool [19:16] <bcr> our forum will be ok, vamp wont have access [19:16] <bcr> good [19:16] <bcr> wf is a good guy [19:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yeah [19:16] <bcr> just gets antsi sometime [19:16] <bcr> antsy [19:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I told him I would hold off on doing vand's job right now [19:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [19:16] <bcr> i made him mad over this shorty thing [19:16] <bcr> lol [19:16] <bcr> im sure he laughed [19:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> he did [19:17] <bcr> rabid is harboring another hacker [19:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> oh yeah? [19:17] <bcr> it will be #5 [19:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> jesus [19:17] <bcr> wf knows [19:17] <bcr> thing is [19:17] <bcr> he is morally in a dilema [19:17] <bcr> he knows because he is an admin [19:18] <bcr> he knows he cant say anything [19:18] <bcr> but [19:18] <bcr> he is really upset [19:18] <bcr> and feels like he is lying to rabid [19:18] <bcr> this player has been rostered for years [19:18] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> aliasing or is he cheating? [19:18] <bcr> he has been inactive for a few too [19:18] <bcr> just recently came back [19:19] <bcr> he's tagging all the pubs with pplite #3 [19:19] <bcr> the newest version [19:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> #3? [19:19] <bcr> hasnt played a match yet [19:19] <bcr> yes 3 [19:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> one thing [19:19] <bcr> the new version [19:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> please post all the links you have to hack sites [19:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I used to be in touch with all of that [19:19] <bcr> i can do that [19:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> then alot of sites shut down [19:19] <bcr> i check them once a week [19:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k, will do the same [19:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> probably more often [19:20] <bcr> ok [19:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> etana is tracking this? [19:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> pp3? [19:20] <bcr> yes [19:20] <bcr> it's actually like version 7 [19:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> does this have the hltv code in it [19:21] <bcr> but i call it 3 [19:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> to display? [19:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> if I'm running it while watchign a demo, will it show up? [19:21] <bcr> it makes a change to the code yes. no you wont see a tag over their head like with the last version [19:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [19:21] <bcr> you have to open the demo in notepad and view the code [19:22] <bcr> to catch the change [19:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> hmmn [19:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> a bit time consuming [19:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> or is it? [19:22] <bcr> nah. do a "find" for the line [19:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and it will display the players using it? [19:22] <bcr> you know what a fid line is right? [19:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> fid? [19:23] <bcr> every player [19:23] <bcr> in a demo either personal or hltv has a fid line [19:23] <bcr> fid/xxxxxx its their srteam id encrypted [19:23] <bcr> let me show u [19:23] <bcr> one sec [19:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> what demo players use to display steamids in the demo? [19:24] <bcr> ill show u an older version pplite [19:24] <bcr> not in a viewer [19:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [19:24] <bcr> in the code in notepad [19:24] <bcr> ill show u [19:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> hey [19:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ever though about a vent channel? [19:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> thought [19:25] <bcr> es, vamp use to run one [19:25] <bcr> but he is unstable now [19:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> for us though [19:25] <bcr> here is a fid [19:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> just the two of us [19:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I can set one up if necessary [19:26] <bcr> would be cool [19:26] <bcr> but i have kids screaming in the background sometimes [19:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> might be easier for us to communicate [19:26] <bcr> :) [19:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> so do I [19:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and a wife screaming too [19:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> at me [19:26] <bcr> lol [19:27] <bcr> \*fid\23533875\*fname\Chocolate\cl_dlmax\128\cl_lb\0.0\cl_lc\1\cl_lw\1\cl_updaterate\101\hud_classautokill\1\ati_subdv\3\dm\1\em\1\ec\1\dc\1\ts\0\rate\20000\name\Chocolate^CNOTE\model\soldier\tf_id\446\topcolor\250\bottomcolor\28 [19:27] <bcr> that is a fid line [19:27] <bcr> every player has one [19:27] <bcr> it is from a personal [19:28] <bcr> this one happens to be chocolate's from the pplite bust in feb [19:28] <bcr> this fid id is a steam [19:28] <bcr> it's something like add the steam twice [19:28] <bcr> + 1 [19:28] <bcr> so if ur steam is 80 [19:28] <bcr> it's 80+80 [19:29] <bcr> 160 [19:29] <bcr> +1 [19:29] <bcr> 161 [19:29] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> where is the pp tag? [19:29] <bcr> his registered account name is chocolate [19:29] <bcr> that's the fname [19:29] <bcr> cl_max is a setting [19:30] <bcr> actually it is the setting mase changes in pp3 [19:30] <bcr> but in this version [19:30] <bcr> of pp2 [19:30] <bcr> u'll see this: [19:30] <bcr> ati_subdv\3 [19:30] <bcr> that's the pp2 code [19:30] <bcr> and [19:30] <bcr> it writes to ur personal cfg file [19:31] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> that line? [19:31] <bcr> yes [19:31] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> does the ati line appear in normal demos? [19:31] <bcr> it is not a normal line in the fid line [19:31] <bcr> personals yes [19:32] <bcr> mase has gotten smarter [19:32] <bcr> this pp2 doesnt work since the newest steam update [19:32] <bcr> valcved was tipped [19:32] <bcr> and you can thank wn for it :) [19:32] <bcr> his way of sticking it ygc :) [19:32] <bcr> ugc [19:32] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wn? [19:32] <bcr> yes [19:32] <bcr> wingnut [19:32] <bcr> has a friend at steam [19:32] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ahh [19:33] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> tell them to ban the server crashers!!! [19:33] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [19:33] <bcr> mase changes the cl_dlmax now [19:33] <bcr> it is a normal hl line that appears in everyone's demo [19:33] <bcr> cheating or not [19:33] <bcr> but he changes the value slightly [19:33] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> he changes the variable for it? [19:33] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [19:33] <bcr> yes [19:34] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> could a client change that setting manually? [19:34] <bcr> so etana picks up the change [19:34] <bcr> im not sure [19:34] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> could cause a false positive then [19:34] <bcr> every hack changes something [19:43] <bcr> voidobot [19:43] <bcr>     [19:43] <bcr> STEAM_0:1:374947 Session Close: Sun May 06 19:52:54 2007 Quote: Session Start: Thu Dec 27 00:35:13 2007 [00:35] <padawan|UGC> well i'll give you a little hint [00:35] <padawan|UGC> set etana_active 0 [00:35] <padawan|UGC> that'll maintain the tracking [00:35] <padawan|UGC> and the violation logging [00:35] <padawan|UGC> but it'll turn off the kicks [00:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> will it auto change still? [00:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the tracers? [00:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no, right? [00:36] <padawan|UGC> it shouldn't autochange anything [00:36] <padawan|UGC> (if i remember right) [00:36] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [00:36] <padawan|UGC> for the "average" user it'll appear that it's disabled [00:36] <padawan|UGC> but it still tracks steamids and violations [00:36] <padawan|UGC> well "certain" violations lol [00:36] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [00:36] <padawan|UGC> maybe i shouldn't get into that one ;) [00:37] <padawan|UGC> i haven't done any real AC work in like 6 months [00:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I probably know more than you think :) [00:37] <padawan|UGC> doh [00:37] <padawan|UGC> it's ok [00:38] <padawan|UGC> bcr needed someone to talk to ;) [00:38] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [00:38] <padawan|UGC> lol fuckin hackers [00:38] <padawan|UGC> i haven't looked at the cheat logs in months [00:38] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> had 2 bans on my pubs the last few days [00:38] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> speedhacks [00:38] <padawan|UGC> [i]cheat [00:38] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> was quiet for awhile [00:38] <padawan|UGC> i can't believe people are still using that one [00:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> you guys need to do your own "Mitchell" report [00:39] <padawan|UGC> ^ [00:39] <padawan|UGC> how do you think I caught "crosby" [00:39] <padawan|UGC> oh man those were the days - being a master tracker was fun in it's time [00:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> JUST AIR OUT THE LAUNDRY [00:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> oops caps [00:39] <padawan|UGC> of course little did the whole world know how I was REALLY doing it [00:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> bcr told you that I knew? [00:40] <padawan|UGC> no, but I knew you were TFL AC [00:40] <padawan|UGC> or maybe I knew [00:40] <padawan|UGC> that was so long ago [00:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wasn't ac [00:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i was her "associate" [00:40] <padawan|UGC> there was an "incident" around etana like a year ago [00:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> behind the scenes [00:41] <padawan|UGC> put bcr in a very awkward position [00:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the vamp issue? [00:41] <padawan|UGC> yeah lol [00:41] <padawan|UGC> i laugh now [00:41] <padawan|UGC> i didnt think it was very funny then [00:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> still surprised he didn't talk [00:41] <padawan|UGC> so am I [00:41] <padawan|UGC> I threatened a ban in STA if he so much as breathed a hint [00:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yeah [00:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> it worked...apparently [00:41] <padawan|UGC> I fully expected him to post on cats the day before he left for Iraq [00:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yep [00:42] <padawan|UGC> Maybe he figured it wasn't worth an STA ban [00:42] <padawan|UGC> thinking by the time he got back tfc would be dead anyway [00:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ^ [00:42] <padawan|UGC> *OH THE DRAMA* [00:43] <padawan|UGC> Fornaught knows about etana [00:43] <padawan|UGC> logging and everything [00:43] <padawan|UGC> so you can speak to him frankly about the problem [00:43] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> my big thing from day one was why the info wasn't being used beter [00:43] <padawan|UGC> I haven't seen him yet to let him know about the ftp user issue and lack of autoupdating for two months [00:43] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> better [00:44] <padawan|UGC> yeah - politics were weird back then [00:44] <padawan|UGC> and it all seemed so much more important back then too [00:44] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> of course [00:44] <padawan|UGC> UGC had a lot of distrust towards TFL because of wf [00:44] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> there was still a community [00:44] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wf was an asshole [00:44] <padawan|UGC> the idea of this big secret tracking tool was mine [00:44] <padawan|UGC> I didnt want to tell TFL cuz I didnt trust that TFL could keep it secret [00:45] <padawan|UGC> mainly, that wf couldn't [00:45] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> they couldn't [00:45] <padawan|UGC> so we locked out TFL [00:45] <padawan|UGC> and UGC and STA did etana together [00:45] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> although afaik only I know [00:45] <padawan|UGC> and basically forced TFL into using it whether they wanted to or not [00:45] <padawan|UGC> because everyone would have it for STA [00:45] <padawan|UGC> and we never told TFL what it REALLY did [00:45] <padawan|UGC> back in those days only three people even KNEW [00:45] <padawan|UGC> mirv who made it, me, and Bookrat [00:46] <padawan|UGC> and we couldn't use it to ban for people hacking in pubs, cuz we didnt want to give away the logging [00:46] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> could have used it with pubs with hltv [00:46] <padawan|UGC> so the leagues structured rules like "let the plugin do its job" [00:46] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> like mine [00:46] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> :) [00:46] <padawan|UGC> well, that's sort of what was done [00:46] <padawan|UGC> I'd review logs by violation [00:46] <padawan|UGC> if I could find the matching dem, we'd ban [00:47] <padawan|UGC> no dem, no ban [00:47] <padawan|UGC> unless it was a match [00:47] <padawan|UGC> if it was a match we did a "random" dem pull ;) [00:47] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [00:47] <padawan|UGC> oh man I held on to sik for so long [00:47] <padawan|UGC> cuz I wanted to catch him in a match [00:47] <padawan|UGC> then he was a retard and used pplite in a match [00:48] <padawan|UGC> and I watched it happen in real time [00:48] <padawan|UGC> that was a hoot [00:48] <padawan|UGC> I was like OH YEAH BABY [00:48] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [00:48] <padawan|UGC> NOT ONLY DID I GET THE ALIAS BUT NOW I GOT THE CHEAT [00:48] <padawan|UGC> it's funny now it seems laughable what a big deal I made it all out to be [00:48] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> it was big [00:48] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and still is...to some [00:48] <padawan|UGC> yeah [00:48] <padawan|UGC> it was a TFL match [00:49] <padawan|UGC> cuz he was banned in UGC and STA for login-sharing [00:49] <padawan|UGC> we all knew it was sik from etana logs with an IP match [00:49] <padawan|UGC> so when he cheated in a TFL match [00:49] <padawan|UGC> it was like fuck [00:49] <padawan|UGC> how do we get the dem [00:49] <padawan|UGC> how do we get the dem from TFL, without telling TFL we just logged a cheat in one of their matches [00:49] <padawan|UGC> lol oh man those were the days [00:50] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> should get etana fixed [00:50] <padawan|UGC> and shh mase never knew [00:50] <padawan|UGC> yeah I'm digressing/reminiscing [00:50] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> np [00:50] <padawan|UGC> 1. mase NEVER knew we were logging his cheats so just FYI [00:50] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> interesting...to me at least [00:50] <padawan|UGC> could have repercussions if he ever found out that I was so two-faced to him [00:50] <padawan|UGC> as to secretly log his shit [00:50] <padawan|UGC> cuz if he makes something for TF2 [00:51] <padawan|UGC> I wanna secretly log that too [00:51] <padawan|UGC> <-- so devious [00:51] <padawan|UGC> oh well [00:51] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [00:51] <padawan|UGC> I cant play for shit, I can't even bhop [00:51] <padawan|UGC> this is how I have fun with the game [00:51] <padawan|UGC> I'll see if I can reach mirv [00:51] <padawan|UGC> figure out what the deal is [00:51] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> mitchell report! [00:51] <padawan|UGC> lol [00:51] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> we want names [00:51] <padawan|UGC> oh man [00:51] <padawan|UGC> I feel like it [00:51] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> funny...but it's really similar circumstances [00:51] <padawan|UGC> you know how I caught Lifedelinquent? [00:52] <padawan|UGC> and trent? [00:52] <padawan|UGC> the other big busts before etana2? [00:52] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ? [00:52] <padawan|UGC> I gotta wonder if they ever figured it out [00:52] <padawan|UGC> trent obviously didnt [00:52] <padawan|UGC> cuz he left a breadcrumb for me every time he got a new ID [00:52] <padawan|UGC> all I needed was a dem with him in it [00:52] <padawan|UGC> Neoarch my ass lol [00:52] <padawan|UGC> he's so full of shit that guy is [00:53] <padawan|UGC> oh oh [00:53] <padawan|UGC> and his concaim? [00:53] <padawan|UGC> it's all fullupdate [00:53] <padawan|UGC> he fills my etana database with it it's laughable [00:53] <padawan|UGC> Mitchell report! oh man this could be hilarious [00:53] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> it would be great [00:53] <padawan|UGC> it would certainly liven up the cats that's for sure [00:53] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I would gladly help [00:53] <padawan|UGC> I caught Massacre on etana before he came clean [00:54] <padawan|UGC> Lifedelinquent was a fid match off of one of my teammate's dems [00:54] <padawan|UGC> trent was a fid match off of some retarded ovo dispute [00:54] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [00:54] <padawan|UGC> Loki even made a little fid database [00:54] <padawan|UGC> and a program to extract and automatch from dems [00:54] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> nice [00:54] <padawan|UGC> trent left us a flashing red light every time he got a new ID [00:54] <padawan|UGC> it was hilarious [00:54] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> how so? [00:54] <padawan|UGC> just had to get the right dem [00:55] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> fullupdate? [00:55] <padawan|UGC> well, prior to about gosh i think it was march 2006? that friends beta came back? [00:55] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yeah [00:55] <padawan|UGC> prior to that your fid - your "friends id" [00:55] <padawan|UGC> was related to your installation of steam/windows [00:55] <padawan|UGC> it identified you AS A PERSON [00:55] <padawan|UGC> so if i could get a new steamid [00:55] <padawan|UGC> but i kept my fid [00:55] <padawan|UGC> fid's could be obtained by opening a dem in a text editor [00:55] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yeah [00:55] <padawan|UGC> the fid of every person on the server [00:56] <padawan|UGC> so all i needed was a dem with trent IN it and i had his fid [00:56] <padawan|UGC> fids match --> ban [00:56] <padawan|UGC> we got many people that way [00:56] <padawan|UGC> we started having to use etana when friends beta came online cuz then everyone got a new fid, [00:56] <padawan|UGC> and fid was a function of steamid, not person [00:57] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ah [00:57] <padawan|UGC> wow man lol you got me when drunk I'm just spilling all of tfc's secrets now! [00:57] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no worries [00:57] <padawan|UGC> Bookrat or bcr or Loki or someone would probably have my ass lol [00:57] <padawan|UGC> but you're good stuff I know you respect the community and won't go like post logs of this in the cesspool or something [00:57] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i've never told anyone about it [00:58] <padawan|UGC> well, I'm obsolete [00:58] <padawan|UGC> TF2 came out right after I went back to work [00:58] <padawan|UGC> I've been a stay at home Mom for like four years [00:58] <padawan|UGC> up until a few months ago [00:58] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> new game to dissect [00:58] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> for cheats that is [00:59] <padawan|UGC> so I had time to do all this deep technical AC work and tracking and stuff [00:59] <padawan|UGC> I don't have time for it anymore [00:59] <padawan|UGC> I've only played TF2 once [00:59] <padawan|UGC> the day it came out [00:59] <padawan|UGC> and like with tfc, I played well first [00:59] <padawan|UGC> and I was like "where the fuck is the flag" [00:59] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [00:59] <padawan|UGC> and then I got run over by a train [00:59] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lmao [00:59] <padawan|UGC> and I haven't touched it since lol [00:59] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> people are coming back to tfc [00:59] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> getting bored with tf2 [01:00] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I run pubs for both...but still play tfc mainly [01:00] <padawan|UGC> man these people are pathetic [01:00] <padawan|UGC> 2007-12-25 19:35:18 tfc 63.251.20.8 [AF]-ReCrUiTiNg FOR 7V7 No Bots-FF Catacombs Player Tracker League Tracker 0:0:13391982 [Catacombs Player Tracker] 24.36.4.246 s4nTy-[AF] fullupdate [01:00] <padawan|UGC> if you cant concaim by now, [01:00] <padawan|UGC> dont fuckin play heavy [01:00] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> look at his id [01:01] <padawan|UGC> truth is, we can't block fullupdate [01:01] <padawan|UGC> it has too many adverse affects and can crash the client [01:01] <padawan|UGC> all we can do is log it [01:01] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ban for anticonc [01:01] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [01:01] <padawan|UGC> yep [01:01] <padawan|UGC> thats what we do [01:01] <padawan|UGC> we get a dem and ban for anticonc [01:02] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> af is in ugc 5v [01:02] <padawan|UGC> heh yeah [01:02] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and 7v [01:02] <padawan|UGC> that's his only violation though [01:02] <padawan|UGC> I have that guy tracked for nearly two years [01:03] <padawan|UGC> and that fullupdate on Christmas was his only etana violation ever [01:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> tfc will only die when leagues stop caring and pubs shut down [01:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no reason not to ban still [01:03] <padawan|UGC> well, that was always a question [01:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> there are some of us who still care [01:03] <padawan|UGC> if you look at rules pages, fullupdate is technically bannable [01:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yes it is [01:03] <padawan|UGC> things like _special arent - they are sportsmanship violations [01:03] <padawan|UGC> but fullupdate is bannable [01:03] <padawan|UGC> so TECHNICALLY [01:03] <padawan|UGC> for a league that bans for public hacking, [01:03] <padawan|UGC> use of fullupdate on a pub is a bannable offense [01:04] <padawan|UGC> so this is another "how do you use the data" argument [01:04] <padawan|UGC> and we agreed long ago not to ban for fullupdate on a pub, if our only evidence was logging with etana [01:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> times have changed [01:04] <padawan|UGC> because the purpose of the tool was more important - the need for secrecy outweighed the need to ban that random fullupdate guy [01:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> this might actually help the community [01:04] <padawan|UGC> indeed [01:05] <padawan|UGC> i've often toyed with making the etana logs public [01:05] <padawan|UGC> just dump the beans myself [01:05] <padawan|UGC> post on cats [01:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> honestly...what is there to lose? [01:05] <padawan|UGC> "I've been secretly tracking you at the UGC site for two years without your knowledge [01:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the only teams left are ones who love the game [01:05] <padawan|UGC> "including every etana violation, and many dll cheats" [01:05] <padawan|UGC> "and here are the logs. Have fun" [01:05] <padawan|UGC> It would either result in [01:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> would be great [01:06] <padawan|UGC> 1. I get banned from cats [01:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> build it up days prior [01:06] <padawan|UGC> 2. Rasp or someone else cans the thread [01:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the paddy report! [01:06] <padawan|UGC> 3. 100 pages of people posting [01:06] <padawan|UGC> with a vaultable thread that makes tfc history [01:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I'll host it on my site [01:06] <padawan|UGC> the paddy report [01:06] <padawan|UGC> rofl [01:06] <padawan|UGC> yes! [01:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> screw them [01:06] <padawan|UGC> oh oh oh [01:06] <padawan|UGC> but here's the rub [01:06] <padawan|UGC> oh i got it [01:06] <padawan|UGC> i TOTALLY got it [01:07] <padawan|UGC> "In order to view the logs, you must sign up for DG's tfc 4v4 league, and play at least 4 matches" [01:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yes! [01:07] <padawan|UGC> LMAO [01:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [01:07] <padawan|UGC> that would so rock [01:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> thats dead too [01:07] <padawan|UGC> I bet you'd get like 20 signups [01:07] <padawan|UGC> in like 2 days [01:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> sure would [01:07] <padawan|UGC> but they MUST play some matches too :p [01:07] <padawan|UGC> they caqnt just signup, see etana logs, and bail [01:07] <padawan|UGC> so by the time 20 teams play 4 matches each [01:08] <padawan|UGC> the league is large enough and alive enough that it'll self sustain [01:08] <padawan|UGC> I may not have $1000 to award to a tournament winner, but I have information buddy! [01:08] * padawan|UGC opens trenchcoat [01:08] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [01:08] <padawan|UGC> I got your syntex logs [01:08] <padawan|UGC> your pp logs [01:08] <padawan|UGC> your gogogadget logs [01:08] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> rofl [01:08] <padawan|UGC> your pplite logs (shh mase doesnt know) [01:08] <padawan|UGC> your etana logs [01:08] <padawan|UGC> hell I even got VDC logs [01:08] <padawan|UGC> but you must sign up AND play matches!! [01:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [01:09] <padawan|UGC> bleh someone would get a copy and just post it on cats [01:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no shit [01:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> sit there anc copy/paste for an hour [01:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and [01:09] <padawan|UGC> ^ [01:09] <padawan|UGC> download the database [01:09] <padawan|UGC> publish it as a MS access file or some shit [01:09] <padawan|UGC> or rehost it [01:09] <padawan|UGC> cuz people are turds [01:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I would just take it and format it for the short bus types [01:10] <padawan|UGC> 2007-12-26 17:50:09 tfc 72.9.146.80 The Gas Chamber: Bhop 200%|HLStats|Fast DLs Catacombs Player Tracker League Tracker 0:1:15317442 [Catacombs Player Tracker] 84.13.175.219 Asamoya _special [01:10] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> seriously though...why not "leak" a report? [01:11] <padawan|UGC> 2007-11-20 12:02:39 tfc 216.52.148.24 #free.tfc IL server by Doc Catacombs Player Tracker League Tracker 0:1:572316 [Catacombs Player Tracker] 70.180.103.244 uC. DN _special [01:11] <padawan|UGC> ^^ lmao [01:11] <padawan|UGC> DN [01:11] <padawan|UGC> in a #free.tfc [01:11] <padawan|UGC> MrSparkle and I have often talked about making the logs public [01:11] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> nothing to lose now [01:12] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the only ones who will balk will be those who were caught [01:12] <padawan|UGC> well, we were gonna pull in TFL [01:12] <padawan|UGC> early [01:12] <padawan|UGC> back when etana was first programmed [01:12] <padawan|UGC> and wf got logged with ax1 like every single week [01:12] <padawan|UGC> that's what made us go "um maybe we shouldn't tell TFL" [01:13] <padawan|UGC> OH MAN I'm definitely drunk I'm just spilling all sorts of dirty little tfc secrets aren't I [01:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> sweet! [01:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> keep em coming! [01:13] * DinosaurGas-CLT- runs to cats [01:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> doh [01:13] <padawan|UGC> lol [01:13] <padawan|UGC> ok ok [01:13] <padawan|UGC> is this like the etana drinking game? [01:13] <padawan|UGC> here's a little confession [01:13] <padawan|UGC> I dropped the ball on ch^ [01:14] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yeah..you just lost again [01:14] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> fess up [01:14] <padawan|UGC> we had him matched on etana [01:14] <padawan|UGC> like the day he became ravager [01:14] <padawan|UGC> you wont find the IP match on cats [01:14] <padawan|UGC> you WILL find it on etana [01:14] <padawan|UGC> and I fucked it up - I misread the data [01:14] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> doh [01:14] <padawan|UGC> so he got away with it for like a year and a half [01:14] <padawan|UGC> even though we had him anyway [01:14] <padawan|UGC> oh well my bad [01:14] <padawan|UGC> my apologies to the community [01:15] <padawan|UGC> but, hey, [01:15] <padawan|UGC> I was the admin that banned him to begin with so pbbbt [01:15] <padawan|UGC> and no it wasn't for shooting the heavy through the wall [01:15] <padawan|UGC> I think I did more than my fair share of alias and cheating busts to deserve forgiveness for one mistake [01:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> of course [01:16] <padawan|UGC> well bleh I'll yack all night [01:16] * DinosaurGas-CLT- hugs pad [01:16] <padawan|UGC> heh [01:16] <padawan|UGC> if you ever want to know the REAL truth of league's "involvement" in logged cheats, [01:16] <padawan|UGC> just ask me [01:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> whats the real truth? [01:16] <padawan|UGC> I got a million interesting "logs" [01:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> "The Padawan Report" [01:17] <padawan|UGC> ^ indeed [01:17] <padawan|UGC> If I ever REALLY TRULY decide to give up this world for good [01:17] <padawan|UGC> I'll go out with a bang [01:17] <padawan|UGC> and post every single little dirty secret on the cats [01:17] <padawan|UGC> and then disappear [01:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wouldn't have to give it up [01:18] <padawan|UGC> forever [01:18] <padawan|UGC> and alias [01:18] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> more like sit back and smile [01:18] <padawan|UGC> and I guarantee no one would ever find me [01:18] <padawan|UGC> cuz I DON'T have a myspace [01:18] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [01:18] <padawan|UGC> I swear that "post a recent picture of yourself" thread [01:18] <padawan|UGC> has done more for tracking of aliased cheaters than fids, cats tracker, and etana combined [01:18] <padawan|UGC> here's a first clue: [01:19] <padawan|UGC> 1. IF YOU'RE AN ALIASED PERSON, DONT POST YOUR PICTURE AT THE CATS KTHX [01:19] <padawan|UGC> *cough* sponge [01:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> remember that [01:19] <padawan|UGC> [00:17:27] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> more like sit back and smile [01:19] <padawan|UGC> perhaps that's the way to do it [01:19] <padawan|UGC> I missed the golden eyars [01:19] <padawan|UGC> *years [01:19] <padawan|UGC> I didnt even know tfc existed until 2001 [01:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> like I said, nobody will be mad at you [01:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> all the heat will be on those listed [01:20] <padawan|UGC> didn't start playing competetively until late 2002 [01:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> you can't ruin what is already dead [01:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> to most [01:20] <padawan|UGC> yeah [01:20] <padawan|UGC> its odd [01:20] <padawan|UGC> I was looking forward to TF2 and FF for so long [01:20] <padawan|UGC> It was worse than being pregnant [01:20] <padawan|UGC> FF was a huge disappointment [01:21] <padawan|UGC> and TF2 I frankly just didn't like [01:21] <padawan|UGC> and tfc fell much faster than I thought it would [01:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> if ff had real bhop...i would enjoy it [01:21] <padawan|UGC> and in the end it was like [01:21] <padawan|UGC> why did I look forward to the death of tfc for so long [01:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> for the report! [01:21] <padawan|UGC> rofl [01:21] <padawan|UGC> TFL gone? I mean wow [01:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> adl is done too [01:22] <padawan|UGC> UGC tfc outlasted TFL tfc? [01:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yep [01:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> tfl has been dead for months [01:22] <padawan|UGC> Oh man [01:22] <padawan|UGC> I have a great big fat stinkin joke about TFL [01:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> bcr? [01:22] <padawan|UGC> oh my god lol that is so tasteless [01:22] <padawan|UGC> well, the joke is this [01:23] <padawan|UGC> TFL finally had to just drop their banlist altogether, because they couldn't keep track of all the bans that kept disappearing [01:23] <padawan|UGC> and I DON'T mean people coming off for probation [01:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i know [01:23] <padawan|UGC> we actually tried to formally "prosecute" TFL [01:23] <padawan|UGC> lol you knew? [01:23] <padawan|UGC> knew from league ties or did the general community actually know as well? [01:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I had access to the entire site/db [01:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> one reason why wf got mad and left tfl [01:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> another hand in his cookie jar [01:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> then they brought infidel on [01:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> then everyone went afk and bcr flipped out on me [01:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> so I ignored her and left tfl [01:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> she freaked because of the 1000 and no teams had signed up... [01:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> all the admins were missing [01:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> she thought I stole code for my 4v4 site from the tfl site [01:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> had a breakdown [01:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> she did [01:27] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> too much drama...when I was one of the only ones who cared [01:27] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> rest rode the shortbus to school [01:27] <padawan|UGC> i actually feel for bcr [01:27] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> she is a great person [01:28] <padawan|UGC> TFL was always Gem's [01:28] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> trying to do too much herself [01:28] <padawan|UGC> and he got too busy and essentially had to pass too much buck to bcr [01:28] <padawan|UGC> yep [01:28] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> gem never did shit [01:28] <padawan|UGC> so you ended up with a person who never had DIRECT admin experience from disputes or AC or being a ladder admin or anything [01:28] <padawan|UGC> suddenly in charge of an entire league, and lacking the practical experience [01:28] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yep [01:29] <padawan|UGC> and I think that's what caused the whole Vampire thing [01:29] <padawan|UGC> Vampire bullied bcr into thinking that he had "secrets [01:29] <padawan|UGC> that STA and UGC didnt have [01:29] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> she brought vamp back on the staff when he came back [01:29] <padawan|UGC> "I'll give you my list if you hire me" or something like that [01:29] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> pissed a bunch of us off [01:29] <padawan|UGC> Vampire is very manipulative [01:29] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> uh huh [01:30] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> very controlling as well [01:30] <padawan|UGC> oh man I'll never forget when I "interviewed" him on his login-sharing violation [01:30] <padawan|UGC> I usually gave people a chance to explain why their login was used at home and then 30 minutes later in a match from their best friends house 800 miles away [01:30] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [01:30] <padawan|UGC> Vampire gave some sap story about how it was him, and his "roommate" on the base must have used his login [01:31] <padawan|UGC> that he was at some "LAN" with karms [01:31] <padawan|UGC> and his "roommate" used his ID [01:31] <padawan|UGC> and that explained the geography jump [01:31] <padawan|UGC> which was hilarious [01:31] <padawan|UGC> because his "roommate" had just been talking about leetones etc in #tfc.gather.us [01:31] <padawan|UGC> not to mention [01:31] <padawan|UGC> that Vampire had just applied for the STA-AC team [01:31] <padawan|UGC> and on his application [01:31] <padawan|UGC> stated he lived alone, did not have a roommate, and no one else had access to his computer [01:32] <padawan|UGC> it was like "Come the fuck on Phil, I'm not an idiot" [01:32] <padawan|UGC> ban [01:32] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [01:32] <padawan|UGC> at least Griffith admitted it [01:33] <padawan|UGC> I was like "so explain to me why it is, that your ID was used in New York, amazingly at an IP that matches your best friend sik, in an STA match, while your IP is making a recruitment post at cats, DURING the match?" [01:33] <padawan|UGC> pasted him the link to the cats recruitment post [01:33] <padawan|UGC> and he confessed [01:33] <padawan|UGC> it's like ok [01:33] <padawan|UGC> here's your next tfc tip [01:33] <padawan|UGC> (I should publish a list of these) [01:34] <padawan|UGC> 2. If you're going to login-share so your banned best friend can play in a match as you, DON'T make a recruitment post for your team at cats DURING that match [01:34] <padawan|UGC> so I offered him a choice [01:34] <padawan|UGC> he could be banned from STA or be banned from cats [01:34] <padawan|UGC> oh man the IRC logs I have on my pc [01:35] <padawan|UGC> good stuff for the cesspool [01:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ! [01:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> report! [01:35] <padawan|UGC> rofl [01:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> 400 pages [01:35] <padawan|UGC> fun times [01:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> just like mitchell [01:35] <padawan|UGC> ^ [01:35] <padawan|UGC> that would be SO like me too [01:35] <padawan|UGC> I dont post at cats, but my posts in UGC admin forums are like multi-page [01:36] <padawan|UGC> Well, I'll never understand why bcr re-hired vampire [01:36] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> neither did we [01:36] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> desperation [01:36] <padawan|UGC> but, maybe I'm only seeing the one side of the story I dunno [01:36] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> as everyone else was afk/mia [01:36] <padawan|UGC> It's sorta like wf and the TFL banlist [01:37] <padawan|UGC> it was so pathetically obvious to UGC and STA that wf was removing bans made on his friends [01:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> uh huh [01:37] <padawan|UGC> we even filed a formal "prosecution" or whatever [01:37] <padawan|UGC> with piles and piles of evidence proving it [01:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> thats why he got so mad when he found out I had access [01:37] <padawan|UGC> and it was signed collectively by like 20 admins from UGC and STA [01:37] <padawan|UGC> and sent to Gemini [01:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> post it on the cats! [01:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> rofl [01:38] <padawan|UGC> the problem with it all is the bonds of friendship and camraderie often supercede leagues and rules [01:38] <padawan|UGC> you have someone like wf and Wingnut [01:38] <padawan|UGC> who adminned together in leagues prior to TFL [01:38] <padawan|UGC> who go back YEARS AND YEARS [01:38] <padawan|UGC> and when someone that close to you is accused of something so heinous [01:38] <padawan|UGC> no matter what evidence is presented, you just won't believe it, [01:38] <padawan|UGC> especially when you're the decision maker who would issue the punishment [01:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> well...I need to get some sleep [01:40] <padawan|UGC> yeah me too [01:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> think about the report though [01:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> seriously [01:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> nothihng to lose now [01:40] <padawan|UGC> I'll shoot a message to mirv and look at steam updates - see if there's an explanation [01:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> nothing [01:40] <padawan|UGC> lol it could be fun [01:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> it would be [01:40] <padawan|UGC> maybe the day STA and/or UGC close tfc for good [01:40] <padawan|UGC> I'll publish the report [01:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> should at least ban people who are still cheating [01:41] <padawan|UGC> Well, if I catch them I would [01:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> oh well, good night [01:41] <padawan|UGC> you too [01:41] <padawan|UGC> nice chattin [01:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> same [01:42] <padawan|UGC> and yeah it all stays here omgzor [01:42] * DinosaurGas-CLT- waves [01:42] <padawan|UGC> let me post it on cats heh ;) [01:42] * padawan|UGC waves [01:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> you won't do it! [01:42] <padawan|UGC> oh I will [01:42] <padawan|UGC> it'll be fun [01:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> triple dog dare you! [01:42] <padawan|UGC> when tfc closes ;) [01:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> so never [01:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> such a tease [01:42] <padawan|UGC> as long as UGC and STA are still alive with tfc, I won't do that to the community [01:42] <padawan|UGC> lol! [01:42] <padawan|UGC> or maybe I should [01:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> typical woman [01:43] <padawan|UGC> maybe it would bring back excitement [01:43] <padawan|UGC> lol [01:43] * DinosaurGas-CLT- ducks [01:43] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> it would [01:43] <padawan|UGC> you know, I can edit those etana logs straight with phpmyadmin [01:43] <padawan|UGC> might just tag something to your ID :p [01:43] <padawan|UGC> kidding! kidding! kidding! [01:43] <padawan|UGC> omgzor I'd never do that [01:43] * DinosaurGas-CLT- heads to the cats to copy/paste [01:43] <padawan|UGC> lmao [01:44] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> you'll have to come clean then [01:44] * DinosaurGas-CLT- cues evil laugh [01:44] <padawan|UGC> I'll deny it all! [01:44] <padawan|UGC> which is what I would've done if Vampire posted [01:44] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> didn't work for clemens [01:44] <padawan|UGC> heh [01:44] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I'm credible though...unlike Vamp [01:44] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> muhahaahahahaha [01:45] <padawan|UGC> rofl [01:45] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> good night Session Close: Thu Dec 27 01:45:33 2007 _________________
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MCoZ Late To The Scene Age: 18 Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Member #: 7,232 Posts: 250	Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Welcome to the dark side of the fortress... _________________ "We came in spastic, like tameless horses..."
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mtbmed There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people that ask questions. Age: 47 Joined: 02 Jan 2003 Member #: 387 Posts: 6713 Location: wisconsin 2005 Volkswagen Golf	Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Interesting read ... not really surprising in the end. _________________ I have two emotions: Hungry and Horny. If you see me without an erection, make me a ham sandwich. *-*
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Toughsox Gas Chamber Groupie Age: 48 Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Member #: 7,267 Posts: 116 Location: East Coast	Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Sad state of affairs if its all true. _________________
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Herpes Throws glass houses at bricks. Age: 22 Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Member #: 2,244 Posts: 4399 Location: Your girlfriend's crotch... 2001 Ford Taurus	Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Interesting read... Naturally, I need to do some research as to a few things so I can understand it, but jaw dropping nonetheless. _________________ http://www.FearMyDelusion.com/
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Gronk161 Gas Chamber Game Servers Age: 46 Joined: 07 Oct 2002 Member #: 102 Posts: 9252 Location: Toronto	Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Un-fucking-believable _________________
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Dinosaur Gas I like boobies!!! Age: 34 Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Member #: 2 Posts: 10640 Location: CT 2008 Honda Accord	Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: I've been banned from the catacombs forums, as well as the STA forums. TFC drama at its finest! Quote: Session Start: Sun Apr 27 21:46:25 2008 Session Ident: |RE|-bcr|TFL [21:46] Session Ident: |RE|-bcr|TFL (~bcr@bcr.user.gamesurge) [21:46] <|RE|-bcr|TFL> i want all the private conversations with me removed from your personal web space please [21:46] <|RE|-bcr|TFL> you have no right to publish them [21:48] <|RE|-bcr|TFL> i dont give a freak aboutetana. every league has anti-cheat software and everyone knows it. it's not as big of a deal as you think it is. just remove any mention of me and any personal conversations we had. [21:49] <|RE|-bcr|TFL> i thought highly of you even after our spat. i'm disappointed. Session Close: Sun Apr 27 22:04:36 2008 Quote: Session Start: Mon Apr 28 04:22:49 2008 Session Ident: WingNut [04:22] Session Ident: WingNut (~WingNut@WingNut.operator.support) [04:22] <WingNut> Remove bcr's intellectual propery from your site (irc logs) and I'll see what I can do about removing the ban from the catacombs. She spoke to you in confidence and while I do not care that you outted ETANA, you should have had enough respect for her that you wouldn't post logs without her consent first :/ Session Close: Mon Apr 28 07:07:27 2008 Now I am being blackmailed, as if I care that much about the catacombs forums... _________________
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Herpes Throws glass houses at bricks. Age: 22 Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Member #: 2,244 Posts: 4399 Location: Your girlfriend's crotch... 2001 Ford Taurus	Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: It sucks being the whistle blower... _________________ http://www.FearMyDelusion.com/
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TangleEyes Uses John Wayne Toilet paper Age: 44 Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Member #: 246 Posts: 2154 Location: by the grace of God - not WV!! 2009 Harley-Davidson CVO Screaming Eagle Fat Bob	Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Herpes wrote: It sucks being the whistle blower... Yes but in the same breath. Blackmail only works if the threat has merit and this one does not. I just don't see the point in keeping the whole thing under wraps as of the current date. You logged cheats and someone will pay for them "eventually". Might want to look at DG's motivation to begin with. IMHO it is correct in every respect. 1) The game is dead. - Although it is slowly picking up speed due to boredom with TF2 and little interest in FF. It's like me bleeding o death by cutting off my thumb. 2) The admins never used the information properly, imo. Too many cheaters got bye because the admins didn't want their "secret" discovered. - You can gather information until you are blue in the face. But unless it is utilized within some sort of reasonable time frame, it's completely useless. Was all this gathered data just going to be held onto until the game is "completely" dead? By that time the only thing you acquire from it is some retro-infactuated geek saying "Oh neat it was really cool the way you did that, too bad you didn't use it when it mattered!" See my point? 3) They don't care about TFC anymore, so why hide this. - Is this not the case? TFC is no longer a staple in the gaming community. 85% have just gotten the fever and moved on to something bigger and better. But it IS a foundation to the whole thing. That other 15% will continue to play it and introduce people to it when they can. Thus still making his posting it, news. But not news that is worthy of the panic it has garnished. Wanna knock him off Cats? Like he said "as if I care that much about the catacombs forums..." It's a nice little site nowadays filled with anything from prepubescent little shits to come and say shit on the internet they don't dare say in the public, to somewhat aged gamers that seek to keep up with "some" current chat. The higher percentage belonging to the former. bcr I don't know you. But do you think it's worth the 10 shitloads of panic you exude for something you know is now irrelevant ? Damning but irrelevant. The information was not used when it would have been important. That's pretty much the long and the short of it. _________________ When you lack the pubic hair or character to say anything else: Guttermouth: Ya man they are a bunch of immature old guys who think they know everything about everything. It makes them feel tough to constantly laugh at or make fun of people for no reason.
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Manimal Age: 23 Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Member #: 7,467 Posts: 2	Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: Game, blouses. edit: The smilies are better here, anyway.
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sw_vile Gas Chamber Groupie Age: 21 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Member #: 7,147 Posts: 316 Location: Windsor Ontario	Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: l0l w0www _________________ #s|W
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Dinosaur Gas I like boobies!!! Age: 34 Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Member #: 2 Posts: 10640 Location: CT 2008 Honda Accord	Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Did anyone notice how STA amended the Cheat/Ban policy in May of 07? They did it to cover their ass concerning etana. They realized they were in the wrong, legally, and had to reword it to protect themselves from possible litigation: http://forums.sta-league.org/index.php?showtopic=7948 Quote: Therefore, anyone playing within an official STA sanctioned competition (i.e. match, pre-match, exhibition, etc.) explicitly grants STA the right to access, forward, store and process any and all game server information that may be available from our use of tools, configurations, add-ons and game server plug-ins that may be in use or mandated for competitive league play. This right also extends to those game server operators that elect to continue such utilization of these same components outside of STA sanctioned events. The right for additional access is also granted and may come in the form of requests by the STA Administrator Staff for personal demos, game server log-files, screenshots and/or other information that might be recorded during sanctioned play. All such collected information will be used only for the purposes of cheat detection or deterrence, alias detection and tracking, enforcement of league rules or for verifying proper server configurations. Any STA Administrator or League Official who misuses any such information will be removed from their STA positions and, in extreme cases, may be banned from all STA Leagues. At the end... Quote: FROM THIS DATE AND MOVING FORWARD, ALL STA PLAYERS ARE BOUND TO AND WILL ADHERE TO THE ABOVE POLICY AND GUIDELINES. PARTICIPATION IN STA MEANS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE TO THESE TERMS. Ass covered... _________________
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sw_vile Gas Chamber Groupie Age: 21 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Member #: 7,147 Posts: 316 Location: Windsor Ontario	Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:24 am    Post subject: !#sta-tfc deluser Fornaught !#sta-tfc deluser Bomber !#sta-tfc addownership DinosaurGas-CLT- lol _________________ #s|W
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Ender2 The Big bully Age: 51 Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Member #: 621 Posts: 7693 Location: Virginia	Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Just because someone puts it in an agreement doesn't mean it's legal, binding, or protects STA, or whomever uses it on a client, from legal action. _________________ Dude!, I said "Un erm ill earl!"
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Gronk161 Gas Chamber Game Servers Age: 46 Joined: 07 Oct 2002 Member #: 102 Posts: 9252 Location: Toronto	Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: I generally don't have a problem with monitoring a league match for the purpose of catching cheaters. In that respect it's a good cause. But doing it without properly notifying people of the actual method or the magnitude of the invasion is really innappropriate. I don't care what riders or disclaimers you put on your rule set or your web site to cover your sorry ass. If you know you are doing something wrong and continue to do it and do your best to hide the fact like these people did then the parallels to some clown using a wall hack and aim bot are instantaneous. You can preach that you are justified in your actions because of the actions of others but your beer will always taste bad. Kinda reminds me of the Sony BMG exec who said, "most people don't know what a root-kit is so why would they care if was on their computer?" _________________
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Dinosaur Gas I like boobies!!! Age: 34 Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Member #: 2 Posts: 10640 Location: CT 2008 Honda Accord	Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Gronk161 wrote: Kinda reminds me of the Sony BMG exec who said, "most people don't know what a root-kit is so why would they care if was on their computer?" Perfect analogy _________________
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Dinosaur Gas I like boobies!!! Age: 34 Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Member #: 2 Posts: 10640 Location: CT 2008 Honda Accord	Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Quote: dinosaur gas, you recently posted the text of two irc conversations you had with bcr of TFL and padawan of STA regarding ETANA. the catacombs posting was promptly deleted; you then posted the same two conversations on your website here. both conversations touched on what ETANA does and how the data ETANA collects is used. as such, you are in violation of the STA administrator guidelines, specifically: 9. STA information gathered for cheat detection, alias tracking, and any such similar purpose is deemed to be 'closely held'. Releasing closely held STA information to any unauthorized person will result in removal from STA Administrator staff, and in severe instances may result in a permanent ban from all STA leagues, without benefit of probation. STA senior staff has determined that your actions are a severe breach of the above guideline, and you are accordingly banned from all STA leagues without possibility of parole. Loser STA Senior Administrator _________________
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halo Age: 25 Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Member #: 7,409 Posts: 2 Location: Fullerton, CA	Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock
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EricAI Joined: 30 Apr 2008 Member #: 7,482 Posts: 3	Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: :dramabomb:
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Dinosaur Gas I like boobies!!! Age: 34 Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Member #: 2 Posts: 10640 Location: CT 2008 Honda Accord	Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Code: Session Start: Fri May 25 01:43:58 2007 Session Ident: bcr [02:00] <bcr> sta's new policy if read completely talks about etana without mentioning it [02:00] <bcr> they are covering their ass [02:00] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I saw that :) [02:00] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and knew why it was changed [02:00] <bcr> vamp leaves on the 2nd of june and ugc is banning him on the 2nd from everything [02:01] <bcr> so if he doesnt blow, as soon as he gets access to a pc im sure that will do it [02:01] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no doubt [02:01] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> guaranteed [02:01] <bcr> we are going to play dumb on this one [02:02] <bcr> we really had nothing to do with it and we dont require the new etana [02:02] <bcr> sure i know about it [02:02] <bcr> but ive only had access for a month [02:02] <bcr> and there is a lot of debate about it in our league admin forum [02:02] <bcr> the legalities and such [02:03] <bcr> i just hope it doesnt come to that [02:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> never know [02:03] <bcr> i know [02:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> should have been considered from the onset [02:03] <bcr> it was [02:03] <bcr> we just wanted to see what it could do [02:04] <bcr> and it is not logging any harmful information [02:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> did they cover their ass legally though? [02:04] <bcr> just things used for anticheat [02:04] <bcr> well [02:04] <bcr> we debated that too [02:04] <bcr> and seem to think a "checking this box means u agree" isnt good enough [02:04] <bcr> every player would need to sign [02:04] <bcr> for it to cover them [02:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> does it violate the valve eula? [02:05] <bcr> i have no idea what that is [02:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> end user liscense agreement [02:05] <bcr> i dont know [02:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I don't think it will create a legal issue [02:06] <bcr> it's a trogan, but it is only a trogan in the servers [02:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> but people will be very weary of leagues once it goes public [02:06] <bcr> does not enter a players pc [02:07] <bcr> another thing was could it be modified to be malicious and yes we think it could be [02:07] <bcr> but again, no physical or monitary harm [02:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the question i have for everyone currently involved is why isn't more being done with all the info collected? [02:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> seems like a waste of time [02:07] <bcr> just false hack accusations [02:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> false? [02:08] <bcr> well wf seems to think that a player or a clan who knew how to could screw with it so that it tagged another player or a clan but this is speculation as everything is encrypted [02:09] <bcr> but wf did know how to unencrypt [02:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> how many have access to it? [02:09] <bcr> so im sure others could [02:09] <bcr> about 5 [02:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> has to be a short list from what you've told me [02:09] <bcr> about 5 [02:09] <bcr> 3 at ugc [02:09] <bcr> 1 sta [02:09] <bcr> and me [02:09] <bcr> it all goes back to ugc [02:10] <bcr> it is all run through their servers [02:10] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I still think it was a great idea [02:10] <bcr> it's their tool [02:10] <bcr> it's an awesome tool [02:10] <bcr> and [02:10] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> as long as the info is used [02:10] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> to get results [02:10] <bcr> meant only to be a test for the technology [02:10] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> otherwise this whole fiasco will be for nothing [02:10] <bcr> for future games [02:10] <bcr> ur right [02:11] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> people will not trust any of the leagues, especially if they don't see actual results [02:11] <bcr> right and that's why we ban the old fashion wayby viewing demos [02:11] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> does it give a timestamp on when they toggle [02:12] <bcr> no because if it did then it would be in the players pc [02:12] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no timestamp at all? [02:12] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> date? [02:12] <bcr> a toggle is them turning the hack on and off [02:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i know [02:13] <bcr> i can only see they have the hack [02:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> on their comp [02:13] <bcr> yes a date and time, server and ips [02:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> can't tell if they are using it, right [02:13] <bcr> no [02:13] <bcr> let me eplain something [02:13] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [02:14] <bcr> when u use a hack, any hack, it changes what is called the fid line. [02:14] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i remember this [02:14] <bcr> the hltv (server) records the player fid lines [02:14] <bcr> etana scans for the changes to those fids [02:14] <bcr> now [02:14] <bcr> pplite the 2nd version which dies in feb [02:15] <bcr> died [02:15] <bcr> changed the fid which etana detected [02:15] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> we had this talk already [02:15] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> :) [02:15] <bcr> but a personal demo was required for us to see if the player actually toggled it on or off [02:15] <bcr> etana couldnt detect toggles [02:15] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I guess, what I am trying to get at, is how we can use the info to actually ban people [02:15] <bcr> so that tells me it isnt into the players pc [02:16] <bcr> it provides us with a list of people who have a hack installed [02:16] <bcr> some hacks [02:16] <bcr> like _special [02:16] <bcr> or [02:16] <bcr> anticoncs [02:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> so we could use it to do random pulls [02:16] <bcr> only change the fid when they are used [02:16] <bcr> yes [02:16] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> are we? [02:16] <bcr> but certain hacks only change the fid when they are used too [02:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> it would narrow the list down though [02:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> to only those with hacks installed [02:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> good chance someone would use [02:17] <bcr> yes [02:17] <bcr> most rostered players are clean believe it or not [02:18] <bcr> almost all pubbers are cheating [02:18] <bcr> but [02:18] <bcr> there are still a few hacks we have not figured out the fid change to so we cannot yet detect them [02:18] <bcr> like DEWS [02:18] <bcr> which is popular [02:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> what about having someone install it [02:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and checking hltv vs a standard one [02:19] <bcr> ac does test them and record demos [02:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> one with, one without [02:19] <bcr> i scan code [02:19] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> look for changes [02:19] <bcr> yes [02:19] <bcr> and [02:19] <bcr> that is another reason i brought hawk on [02:19] <bcr> he is great with code [02:20] <bcr> and is teaching me things [02:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> seems very thorough [02:20] <bcr> yea [02:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> we need to try and catch people before this goes public [02:20] <bcr> he will be ac when vamp leaves [02:20] <bcr> i agree [02:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> once it does, nobody will give any validity to it [02:21] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> especially when vamp is involved [02:21] <bcr> right now the forums are private and such just so i dont upset vamp [02:21] <bcr> ur right [02:21] <bcr> i hate that he has this much power [02:21] <bcr> it's killing me [02:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> might be a good idea for the leagues to go public with it [02:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> before him [02:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> would look better, imo [02:22] <bcr> pad wont do it [02:22] <bcr> it's her call [02:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> she's a fool then [02:22] <bcr> i agree [02:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> people will be more likely to trust if we bring it forward [02:22] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> not if vamp outs us [02:22] <bcr> she is playing his bluff [02:22] <bcr> she seems to think he wont tell [02:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> compare it to the pp deals [02:23] <bcr> silly woman [02:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and say gotch! [02:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> gotcha [02:23] <bcr> i think we will be ok [02:23] <bcr> we had nothing to do with it [02:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> the leagues are working together to stop cheating, not hiding the fact they are using a trojan to scan your comp [02:23] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> thats the angle [02:23] <bcr> ugh [02:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i know you said it doesn't enter the pc [02:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> but people won't believe that [02:24] <bcr> it would have to be worded kind of like the way sta did it. so your mind continues on to the next thought without stopping to think about what it is really saying [02:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and it would be respected [02:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> if the leagues came out like that [02:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> vamp will make it seem like the leagues are hiding it from the community [02:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> and wonder why [02:25] <bcr> i agree, but it isnt my call [02:25] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i know [02:25] <bcr> he's a hypocrite. he uses the technology through me [02:26] <bcr> he just had me run a few steams [02:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> who? [02:26] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> has he run my roster? [02:26] <bcr> no [02:26] <bcr> i ran everyone's rosters the first day i got access :) [02:27] <bcr> but you arent suppose to know :) [02:27] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i don't know anything [02:27] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> <---noob [02:27] <bcr> yea i know [02:27] <bcr> :) [02:27] <bcr> lol [02:29] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> anyone tag tonight? [02:29] <bcr> no one [02:29] <bcr> but [02:29] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> good [02:30] <bcr> well i did run the list and a few serveres [02:30] <bcr> but ive been busy with alucard [02:30] <bcr> we got him finally [02:30] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i saw [02:30] <bcr> and with the sin login sharing [02:30] <bcr> with rawdawg [02:30] <bcr> that's what i have been doing for the past few days [02:31] <bcr> it was calabasas from rabid that tipped me on Sin [02:32] <bcr> said he is on a mission to catch them all [02:32] <bcr> :) [02:32] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> he is just narcing out everyone [02:32] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [02:32] <bcr> well, it was a good narc [02:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> 66.55.131.194:27015 [02:35] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> can you run my pub? [02:36] <bcr> scanning now [02:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> did you ever find out if the tags can be triggered manually? [02:37] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> by a player using a console command [02:38] <bcr> not for sure. it's all a guess, but theory is no. They have to actually be using something illegal for it to tag [02:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wondering if I hop in my server and manually do cl_lw 1 in console...if it will tag me [02:39] <bcr> but no one except tha maker would know that for sure and he doesnt talk to anyone other than pad [02:39] <bcr> try it [02:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> db realtime? [02:39] <bcr> u wont get introuble [02:39] <bcr> yes [02:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i know [02:39] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [02:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> done [02:40] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> toggled cl_lw 1 and 0 [02:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> need my id? [02:41] <bcr> yes [02:41] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> STEAM_0:1:10581 [02:42] <bcr> the serber hasnt updated the info yet [02:42] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> what triggers it, map change? [02:42] <bcr> your lat paly was at 23:29 [02:43] <bcr> no let me run the server list and see what number u are [02:43] <bcr> oo 19 seconds ago [02:43] <bcr> let me refresh [02:44] <bcr> u didnt tag [02:44] <bcr> ur clean [02:44] <bcr> and i see u there [02:45] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [02:46] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> did you run my pub? [02:46] <bcr> yes [02:46] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> what did you find? [02:46] <bcr> no cheaters [02:46] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wow [02:46] <bcr> and the odd thing is slyghost was there [02:46] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> what date range? [02:46] <bcr> but not cheating [02:47] <bcr> from today til 5/6 [02:47] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> no cheaters [02:47] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> man I'm good [02:47] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> lol [02:47] <bcr> let me look again to be sure [02:47] <bcr> lots of data [02:47] <bcr> refreshing [02:50] <bcr> 2007-05-23 23:04:56    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX      0:0:4018230       72.81.191.251    .::. SiRiS    _special [02:51] <bcr> ok i think i need to wit for it to fully load [02:51] <bcr> i see a few now that werent there a min ago [02:52] <bcr> 8335 entries im waiting on [02:54] <bcr>  2007-05-24 06:02:12    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX    0:1:12367216       85.228.237.109    [FF]EagLe*    _special [02:58] <bcr> 2007-05-15 20:38:43    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX      0:1:178190      69.112.46.236    Ic3 M?    _special [03:01] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wondering [03:01] <bcr> 2007-05-10 21:57:09    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX      0:1:972171  24.45.230.167    louofdeath    _special [03:01] <bcr> yea? [03:03] <bcr>  2007-05-10 16:20:21    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX    0:1:1813408      69.178.39.92    (VxD)Yossarian    _special [03:03] <bcr>  2007-05-09 15:41:31    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX      0:0:5307773        24.152.253.82    dethklok    _special [03:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> damn rabbits on my server [03:04] <bcr> rabbits? [03:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> none of the 6 so far are rostered in any leagues [03:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> _special = bhop.dll [03:04] <bcr> yea i figured [03:04] <bcr> ahh [03:04] <bcr> lol [03:05] <bcr> the rest from 5/9 we scanned already it was when shoe played [03:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [03:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> ty [03:05] <bcr> np [03:05] <bcr> over 8000 in a month! [03:05] <bcr> im surprised [03:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> 8000 what? [03:05] <bcr> people [03:05] <bcr> and it's only the 24th [03:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> across all the servers running it? [03:06] <bcr> just ur server [03:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> 8000 ids? [03:06] <bcr> 8335 people [03:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> or connections? [03:06] <bcr> nah some play all the time there [03:06] <bcr> connections [03:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [03:07] <bcr> i'd like to keep a list.. maybe you could and compare to the new clans that come in [03:07] <bcr> see if any roster [03:07] <bcr> just the ones who tag [03:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [03:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> excel? [03:07] <bcr> like in the list inour private thread [03:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [03:07] <bcr> whatever works for u [03:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> one list would be good, as I could just do a control-f and search [03:08] <bcr> yea [03:08] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> whether it's one long post or one ecel sheet [03:08] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> excel [03:08] <bcr> i could merge the posts? [03:08] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> attachments allowed in the forums? [03:08] <bcr> i think so [03:08] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> could attach an excel sheet and just update it when you scan [03:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I then dl it when a new clan applies and search it [03:09] <bcr> ok [03:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> inside the workbook, maybe have a tab for each separate tab [03:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> depending on how much info there is [03:09] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> so it stays organized [03:09] <bcr> sounds good [03:10] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> in case one turns out to be a false positive [03:10] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> wouldn't have to re-do the whole list [03:10] <bcr> yea [03:10] <bcr> im running the foom id's now [03:11] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> keep multiple tags for the same person [03:11] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> so we can build a record [03:11] <bcr> yea [03:11] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> use that info for random demo pulls [03:11] <bcr> yes [03:12] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> need to go to bed [03:12] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> after 3 here [03:12] <bcr> ok sleep well [03:12] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> gn Session Close: Fri May 25 03:12:35 2007 Session Start: Fri May 25 03:19:59 2007 Session Ident: bcr [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <Volvieras-TFG-> i cant talk about it [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> np [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> just wondering [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <Volvieras-TFG-> its not pp thought [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <Volvieras-TFG-> though* [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> oh [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <Volvieras-TFG-> its not a hack list or anything [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> [03:17] <Volvieras-TFG-> its something way different [03:20] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> now I am going to bed Session Close: Fri May 25 03:21:06 2007 Session Start: Fri May 25 03:34:49 2007 Session Ident: bcr [03:34] Session Ident: bcr (Gemini@Gemini.agent.support) [03:34] <bcr> excellent :) [03:34] <bcr> nite Session Start: Fri May 25 19:34:34 2007 Session Ident: bcr [19:34] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> hey [19:34] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> did the foom ids all check out when you ran them through the db? Session Close: Fri May 25 19:34:57 2007 Session Start: Fri May 25 19:39:52 2007 Session Ident: bcr [19:39] Session Ident: bcr (Gemini@Gemini.agent.support) [19:39] <bcr> yes [19:40] <bcr> i didnt expect any hacks to tag... those guys know how to code [19:40] <bcr> anything being used is self made [19:41] <bcr> and fornaught isnt dumb :) [20:04] <bcr> btw, i dont know how to read vamp's reply to you last night. Smells fishy. [20:04] <bcr> Just doesn't sit right [20:24] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> if I pried, I think he would tell me Session Close: Fri May 25 20:24:46 2007 Session Start: Fri May 25 20:33:30 2007 Session Ident: bcr [20:33] Session Ident: bcr (Gemini@Gemini.agent.support) [20:33] <bcr> hmm Session Close: Fri May 25 21:11:02 2007 Session Start: Fri May 25 22:17:47 2007 Session Ident: bcr [22:17] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> i see they updated etana Session Close: Fri May 25 22:18:13 2007 Session Start: Fri May 25 22:18:17 2007 Session Ident: bcr [22:18] Session Ident: bcr (Gemini@Gemini.agent.support) [22:18] <bcr> 2.20? [22:18] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yes [22:18] <bcr> i'll have to see what they added [22:18] <bcr> they dont tell me these things :) [22:20] <bcr> player models [22:20] <bcr> i still dont know why it tags certain ones [22:28] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> player models? [22:28] <bcr> yea it tags a lot of different and odd one's for somereason. i thought maybe class esp [22:32] <bcr> models/player/sniper/sniper.mdmdlxspects [22:32] <bcr> is an example [22:32] <bcr> models/player/sniper/sniper.mdlxspects [23:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I'm just starting to feel that the db is a waste of time [23:03] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> as it is accomplishing nothing [23:03] <bcr> it tells us who cheats, that is not nothing [23:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> how many have been banned? [23:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> because of it? [23:04] <bcr> all of the pplite in february [23:04] <bcr> void [23:04] <bcr> shoe [23:04] <bcr> shorty [23:04] <bcr> pubbers from ugc and sta [23:04] <bcr> i would say [23:04] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> so why haven't all these tagged people been banned [23:04] <bcr> everyone banned since june 06 [23:05] <bcr> because we need a demo [23:05] <bcr> we aren't banning on etana alone [23:05] <bcr> and most are pubbers [23:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> personal or hltv? [23:05] <bcr> depends on the cheat [23:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I can provide hltv for all action on my pub [23:05] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> as I keep ever single map [23:06] <bcr> but i dont ban pubs [23:06] <bcr> u want me to give them to ugc? [23:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> yeah [23:06] <bcr> ok [23:06] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> I would like to see something done about cheaters [23:06] <bcr> the date and times i gave u last night [23:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> just give me the ids and the date they were logged [23:07] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k [23:08] <bcr> 2007-05-23 23:04:56    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX      0:0:4018230       72.81.191.251    .::. SiRiS    _special [23:08] <bcr>  2007-05-24 06:02:12    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX    0:1:12367216       85.228.237.109    [FF]EagLe*    _special [23:08] <bcr>  2007-05-10 21:57:09    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX      0:1:972171  24.45.230.167    louofdeath    _special [23:08] <bcr> 2007-05-10 16:20:21    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX    0:1:1813408      69.178.39.92    (VxD)Yossarian    _special [23:08] <bcr> 2007-05-09 15:41:31    tfc    66.55.131.194    The Gas Chamber: Bhop 2.0 - No Bots - HLStatsX      0:0:5307773        24.152.253.82    dethklok    _special [23:08] <bcr> start with those [23:08] <DinosaurGas-CLT-> k Session Close: Fri May 25 23:10:30 2007 Note the "[02:00] they are covering their ass" hmmn... _________________
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